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« on: July 14, 2008, 06:14:44 pm »

The Wii is turning into a gimmick. Now before you start flaming me hear me out. The Wii started out with a lot of promise, and I don't think Nintendo has realized that they have the potetial to create something truly amazing. I'm so sick of hearing about casual gamers and how they love Wii Sports. If all you play is Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Wii Play you're not a gamer. Sonic and the Secret Rings, I'll use as an example. I think Sega knew what to use the Wii for. The Virtual Console is really what I use my Wii for. At least I can play some real games. I think Nintendo needs to take their company back from the 3'Rd parties and produce something truly amazing. Galaxy was a step in the right direction but they can do so much more.
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2008, 06:47:45 pm »

Casual hardcore it doesn't matter. Games are games. Some people like one type. Some like another.


I can't stand FPS's. I dig most adventure/platformers. I like silly things like AC.

It's just another genre.

Isn't everything a 'gimmick' when you come down to it? *shrug* it doesn't bug me. Not right now, anyway.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 07:01:03 pm »

Super Paper Mario was one of my favorite games.
MarioKart Wii is good.

It pushed another silly accessory (the wii wheel) but it was still ok.

If by "gimmick"you mean focusing more on tons of silly features and peripherals than games' stories, yes, Nintendo has let the Wii become a gimmick. Form follows function. If their function is to promote a feature or accessory, it's pretty obvious. And that's a bad thing.

Nintendo's been doing that since forever. ROB. e-reader for the GBA. GBA-GCN games like 4 swords adventures. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat with the DK Bongos.  Link's Crossbow Training. And the DS's touch screen and mic have been like a curse on DS software-- I would be completely happy if I never have to blow in the DS mic for any game ever again.

But yeah, Nintendo seems to be lacking a bit of substance. I would love to see a deep, beautifully written RPG-like game from them. But I'll be content with Tales of Symphonia's sequel from Namco.

 But if you're someone who only plays games casually, Nintendo's model probably works... The thing is, by drawing in all these new people to video games (seriously, there are a lot of people picking up a game controller willingly or the first time), people are going to eventually want more than just casual games.

You may introduce kids to the fun of books with pop-up books or books with spinning cardboard wheels and paper shutters or even interesting textures... but eventually you want them to move beyond that and enjoy other things. Eventually the story or characters should take priority, not the way you can interact with the physical book. I kinda view the wii as more of a colorful children's book focused on physical interaction than an interesting, interactive novel I can read on my own and discuss with others later. <_< Guess which one I like better.

I want my games to have stories and developing characters.A mii playing tennis doesn't cut it.


I know they're trying to be innovative... And I can appreciate that they try. I'm happy that some people really enjoy what Nintendo has made.

Opening up WiiWare to lesser-known developers is a step in the right direction. It will allow more ideas to get out there. It will allow Nintendo to see what sells. I hope that can affect some of their future game development decisions.

It's a shame that WiiWare is so limiting on space... The deeper games usually take up more data than the glorified mini-games that seem so popular right now.


I really don't like having to learn a new controller with every game. That's complicated, not simple. It's not as easy on developers either.

They need more long-term vision.

And not everyone has lots of friends/family to play their silly mini games with.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2008, 07:34:09 pm »

i've been saying this for a while now. the wii has the potential to be something spectacular. all the features are there, it functions well, and works reliably. the only down side is that no game developer has worked hard enough to utilise all of the features the wii has to produce this spectacular product.
i look around and see a distinct lack of wifi/multiplayer games, one of the major reasons the wii was built. and the mii/wifi thing is well pressed inside the main menu, the ability to update firmware online? surely that's not the only reason they made it.
i think maybe mario kart is one of the first to start going into the realms of utilising the wiimote's potential (at least, some of it), and using the wifi connections, but surely it has the potential to do so much more than cartoon graphics? they didn't spend all that money on R&D with ati to produce a cpu that seems to be only capable of producing cartoon-like graphics.
i'm looking at it right now, and starting to realise it could well have been a waste of money.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2008, 08:53:57 pm »

I think Galaxy raised the bar for not just Nintendo but gaming as a whole. Nintendo needs more games like Galaxy that push the bar.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2008, 08:56:58 pm »

Zg, did you buy your own Wii?

Let me rephrase that. Did your parents buy it?
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2008, 11:42:55 pm »

Well Zg... if we go by your standards at least I have to say this...
It's a gimmick I love to play, and I wouldn't have it any other way. 

... Cept maybe better online play support & games. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 12:30:36 am »

I don't think the Wii is gimmick. I just think it's not being used at its full potential. I agree, Nintendo's approach to online play isn't the best. However, we knew this when the DS started Wi-Fi connectivity, with the whole friend codes thing.

Yeah, I'm a little tired of the overload of casual games that appear on the Wii, but I'll deal. I'm thinking about getting a 360 soon to satisfy my other game cravings. I'm not quite giving up on the Wii though. I think we will eventually start to see more "hardcore" games.

Nintendo needs to take their company back from the third parties? I totally disagree with that. If anything, I think Nintendo needs more third party support.

Take a look at games like Zack and Wiki and Okami. Both are awesome (and third party) games that utilize the Wii controls brilliantly, yet these games are so easily overlooked. What kind of message does this send to third party companies? Not a good one ... and it's probably helping the Wii's casual image stand out more.

I think games like Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and Mario Kart Wii are steps in the right direction, but yeah, we need more. I guess only time will tell. It took a while for the DS to really find its balance between hardcore and casual gamers, so maybe it's going to take the Wii a while too.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 01:05:30 pm »

Zg, did you buy your own Wii?

Let me rephrase that. Did your parents buy it?

Yes I bought it myself.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2008, 06:23:58 am »

I agree with you to a sense ZG, and I know I'm usually harsh on consoles, but that's just because I'm always looking for flaws in my consoles. The Wii is an excellent console, which is why it's selling, it just hasn't established a big enough library to accommodate both hardcore and casual gamers. There are several games that utilize features well, such as Okami and No More Heroes, but when it comes down to it, there just aren't very many games that are using the motion controls for anything unique.

Yeah, we had Wii Sports, and Wii Play, and now Wii Fit, but I mean.. can we get a game that uses the motion controls to their maximum benefit that doesn't have the word Wii in front of it? And even then, these games don't use them to their limit, they just touch basis on a few simple activities.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2008, 08:56:40 am »

While I really do want to see Nintendo "get off their duff" and fix a few franchises with new Wii iterations, we can't reasonably believe they can make all these "hardcore" games that some of us want to see.  I'd like to believe we can find other developers who'll step up and not only make good "hardcore" games, but good "casual" ones as well.  For the heat they seem to get for catering to "casuals", there a number of stinkers out there in that category too.

That said, if Nintendo makes Zelda anymore casual then they've made it in the last decade or so they will feel mein rath!  That is all.
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